E-mail sent by Mark Hill, Sunday, 21st April 2019 @ 12:23pm
Greenleaves meeting 30th March 2019
Attendence: Annabell, Stuart, Mark, Leslie, Michael. Apologies: Meghan,
We introduced ourselves. We then discussed our views about the situation. Situation
Leslie: The Withdrawal Agreement is worse than remaining. Defence implications are very serious. If it becomes the only option we would prefer to Remain and fight again. We don’t want to agree any Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) either.
Stuart: In principle a deal would originally have been a good idea; but not the WA. Now thinks we need no deal or nothing. Too much water has flowed for us to get a good deal in the short term.
Annabell: Legal advice shows that May's ‘deal’ is dreadful. We want No Deal. What is our green vision after brexit? We do not want freedom of movement.
Michael: trading relations should be controlled democratically. There are actually too many trade deals. These create too much trade, too much traffic. VAT should be reduced. We need a higher min wage, and actually enforce it. Norway option is not popular among the left in Norway. Second vote in principal doesn't scare him. Objection from LR: may be no leave option in such a Second Referendum. Conclusions from the discussions
We want some programs to be protected: Erasmus, Common travel area, fin services badging, protection from migrations, etc etc
We've had the Peoples vote. We don't want to be dragged back into the EU against the view of the majority in the 2016 referendum.
We have no problem with migrants but we are not happy about employers contracting labour from other countries undercutting locally agreed minimum standards in the UK.
General Election: we don't want another GE - as it wouldn't resolve anything. Euroelection:
In principle we don't want a Euroelection. We noted that Candidates being selected now for Greens.
We are not going to support the Green Party on this issue. We don't have a collective position in favour of candidates of various parties for the forthcoming Euroelection. Those of our members that are also members of the GP will not be campaigning for other parties. Our relationship to the Green Party.
LR: Some of us want to campaign against the GP's position on the EU. Should we register as a political list? LR hugely disappointed with Caroline Lucas whipping up prejudice against leave voters. He will campaign against the GP in the euroelections
MG: GP is surprisingly undemocratic. But Labour intolerable. Is going to stay a member of GP. A: Green Voter but not wanting to join. S: He was for Brexit and environmentalism before Green Party was visible. Won't join GP.
MH concluded that we are about as formally related to the GP formally as Greenpeace. Place of dialogue. Not a ginger group of the GP. Don't want to be part of forming another political party focussed on opposing the EU. Organisation
We discussed meetings.
Set them in advance. Preference for London. We discussed a fare pool for Leslie. We could use Zoom for remote conferencing. Possible meeting in Yorkshire.
A: We should have been celebrating last night!
Inside the party
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MG: GP Leadership is too dominant in the party. He is putting together a motion that would see a shift to delegate conferences. He wants to see a more democratic party.
Jenny has been persuaded to support revoke art 50. She doesn't like the bullying and nastiness of the current debate. Sharar Ali (a Green party leadership candidate) has said that Greens ought to honour the result of the referendum that we, as a movement, had helped to call for. Paul Kingsnorth is another Green figure opposed to EU
MG will look at the registered party status for our group.
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