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E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Tuesday, 20th May 2014 @ 1:35pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 May - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

Once again the Votes have been counted and, despite a last minute flurry, the overall picture remained unchanged with the topic that has led throughout the month maintaining its lead.

So, not too late to be thinking about our May meeting on Monday 26 May at 8.00 pm.

The winning topic in the Poll is:

Know thyself?: How well do we REALLY understand ourselves? What do others see in us that we don't? Do we distort our own view?

Some of you may be familiar with the concept of the Johari Window, a technique created in 1955 by two American psychologists, Joseph Luft (1916–2014) and Harrington Ingham (1914–1995), used to help people better understand their relationship with self and others.


It is based on the idea that our knowledge and understanding of ourselves may be represented in several ways. There is the face that we think we display to the world, the things about ourselves that we'd rather the world didn't see, what other people actually see in us of which we are unaware and, lastly, those things buried deep in our subconscious or unconscious of which neither we nor others are aware.

Generally we tend to believe that we know ourselves pretty well and that the bulk of our personality falls in the Open or Hidden categories. We have a persona that we like to display to the world. Usually a positive one that we believe will meet with social approval and help us to achieve our goals in life. However it may not be completely accurate. There may be aspects of ourselves that we deliberately misrepresent, where the truth lies in the Hidden area that we'd rather others did not see. Or just things about ourselves we'd rather remained private. Our hopes, fears and desires. Those areas that Freud might have suggested are suppressed by the Superego in order to render our persona acceptable to others.

But sometimes we are surprised to find that others, especially those close to us, see facets of our character of which we, ourselves, have actually been unaware. They may notice patterns of thinking or behaviour that provide them with insights into our personalities that we had never even considered. It can be quite alarming to have their view of us revealed and find that other people may understand aspects of ourselves better than we do. A mirror held up to us that may reveal hidden flaws, or, indeed, hidden strengths. These reflections can help us know ourselves more completely and enable our understanding to grow but they can also be disturbing and may be resisted. Arguably one of the goals of insight oriented therapies is to help us with such challenges.

Lastly, there are those areas of our psyche of which neither we nor others may be consciously aware. It has been suggested that much of our cognition and behaviour results from areas of our character and experience that lie buried at subconscious or unconscious levels. We are the products of our past, our genetics and our biology and may be influenced strongly by them without ever realising or understanding their impact on our nature. As consciously aware beings, we like to believe that we have control of ourselves and that our thoughts and actions are based on our abilities to 'know our own minds', to rationalise and, ultimately, to take responsibility for ourselves. The prospect of a deep dark store of self knowledge to which we have no access can be rather alarming.

So, we may ask the question of how the proportions might work out in the Johari Window. How much do we REALLY know of ourselves? How much do we reveal without realising it and what sorts of things would we prefer to conceal? If there is really a huge well of the unknown, how sure can we be that the picture either we or others have of us is genuine and meaningful? 

As usual, so much to discuss. 
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group July Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 28th July 2014 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 7 people attended

48 Hours to vote for May

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 18th May 2014 @ 12:22am

Hi All,

Monday 26 May - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

For some reason our Home page has been reinstated although I have still failed to get any indication that Groupspaces will take my money for a renewed subscription. Ah well, at least things are working much as usual! 

So, not too late to be thinking about our May meeting on Monday 26 May at 8.00 pm.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is still:

Know thyself?: How well do we REALLY understand ourselves? What do others see in us that we don't? Do we distort our own view?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 May.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity (while the site is still running) to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Still going! May's OK...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 11th May 2014 @ 7:48pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 May - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

Still no update from Groupspaces about whether they will allow us to renew but the mail function continues to work! 

The background to the site is still working too and using the web address www.Edinburgh-philosophers.com will take you to the events calendar from which you can access and sign up for the next meeting. The buttons above should also still work. All that is currently missing is the old Home page.

In the meantime (Plan B), members are encouraged to sign up at the Meetup service (if you are not already a member). You can find it at www.meetup.com.

Group meetings were already being advertised there in any case and the May meeting details can be found HERE. (You will need to join the Thinking Allowed Group to see the details of our Group and other interesting events.)

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is still:

Know thyself?: How well do we REALLY understand ourselves? What do others see in us that we don't? Do we distort our own view?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 May.


Fortunately the Poll is not hosted on Groupspaces and it can also be found HERE if you wish to Vote and the link above fails.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

You can contact me directly with suggestions (or on any other matter) at Organizer@Edinburgh-Philosophers.com as that address is independent of Groupspaces as is our Edinburgh-Philosophers.com domain: so these will continue as valid addresses even if the host system changes. 

Saga continues - but so do the meetings!

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 3rd May 2014 @ 6:44pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 May - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

The saga over the future of Groupspaces continues. I received an email apologising for the fact that it had taken a month to reply to my emails and offering to sort things out. I replied immediately but, a week later, I've had no response to that reply! 

The background to the site is still working and using the web address www.Edinburgh-philosophers.com will take you to the events calendar from which you can access and sign up for the next meeting. The buttons above should still work too. All that is missing is currently the old Home page.

In the meantime (Plan B), members are encouraged to sign up at the Meetup service (if you are not already a member). You can find it at www.meetup.com.

Group meetings were already being advertised there in any case and the May meeting details can be found HERE. (You will need to join the Thinking Allowed Group to see the details of our Group and other interesting events.)

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Know thyself?: How well do we REALLY understand ourselves? What do others see in us that we don't? Do we distort our own view?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 May.


Fortunately the Poll is not hosted on Groupspaces and it can also be found HERE if you wish to Vote and the link above fails.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

You can contact me directly with suggestions (or on any other matter) at Organizer@Edinburgh-Philosophers.com as that address is independent of Groupspaces as is our Edinburgh-Philosophers.com domain: so these will continue as valid addresses even if the host system changes. 

Ready for the Monday meeting? Believe it!!

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 26th April 2014 @ 11:17am

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  
Or, if these buttons are not working, go directly to the event page at:
http://groupspaces.com/Edinburgh-Philosophers/item/629008


Despite the disruption caused by the imminent demise of the Groupspaces website, I hope you are still receiving this email. (If you don't get it please let me know... [Joke])

I'm now back from Australia and all ready for the meeting on Monday, so I hope to see you there.

I shall be there early from 7.30 pm. Look for the Group signs in the window of the Coffee Lounge, between the Bar entrance (on the left) and the Hotel entrance (on the right). We will be in the middle and accessible from either entrance. Enjoy the sandwiches. The bar also does a great range of drinks, food and snacks.

Ed the Head will be there too, waiting for you. Do try to be there in good time so we can get the seating sorted in case it is crowded. 


Seeing is believing?: What evidence do we need to believe in something? Authority? Experience? Can we believe the evidence of our own eyes?

So, time to be thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014 at 8.00 pm.

How do we come to feel we know what we know? Of course sometimes we have what we accept as direct evidence,; the evidence of our own eyes. But even that may be in doubt as we have a tendency to see what we expect or want to see as many visual illusions demonstrate.

Not only that, but we have a tendency NOT to see that which we wish to avoid or that does not fit with our expectations. In psychological terms this is cognitive consonance and dissonance. We have clear biases in what we look for and accept as evidence according to whether or not it fits with what we already think.

That means that it can be very hard to be objective. One person's Truth may be another person's Deception or Lie. The way in which we use information to determine our judgement is open to interpretation. How much weight do we give the evidence? Do we trust its source? Do we detect ulterior motives? How do we come to a conclusion about the Truth?

Much of the time we are not even relying on our own direct perceptions but the authority of others. Do you believe the evidence of politicians, the news media or big business. It sometimes seems that we live in very untrustworthy times when we expect politicians to be economical with the truth, news media to display bias and big business to put profits before facts.

Then there is Science. That gold standard of believability. Or is it? Even the scientific method can be open to bias and corruption. There is good science and bad science and we may need to look at issues like methodology, validity and reliability before we can know how much faith we can place in its pronouncements. Even so. much is beyond our ability to judge personally and we are reliant on the expertise of others. 

What about conspiracy theories? These abound, particularly where evidence is poor or ambiguous. The recent MH370 disaster is a good example with many of the families refusing to accept official pronouncements and clinging to alterative theories. Did the Americans land on the moon? Who killed J F Kennedy? Conspiracy theories abound!

And religion? It may be argued that here is an area where the question of evidence becomes irrelevant. Rather than look for evidence and proof there is a requirement to suspend many of the normal critical processes and accept that Faith rather than Science is capable of providing the crucial answers.

So what do you believe? About Life, the Universe or Anything? How do you come to your beliefs and are they open to challenge and change in the light of new evidence? If so, what evidence counts? Or are many beliefs immune to challenge because we just KNOW we are right?   

As usual, so much to discuss.
 


UPDATE

The response buttons above may or may not still work. Although the group front page has been cancelled, much of the site still remains available when accessed directly. In the meantime I will be working towards a new site but, as I've only just returned from Australia, I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

I will keep using this email system as long as it is working for now. There has still been no response from the Groupspaces team and I remain very doubtful that this system can continue for long. However I look forward to seeing you all for the April meeting.

Would you believe it...?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 26th April 2014 @ 11:01am

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Despite the disruption caused by the imminent demise of the Groupspaces website, it was good to see that many of you used the direct link to the Poll to cast your vote. There was a flurry of last minute changes but, in the end, a clear winner.

Seeing is believing?: What evidence do we need to believe in something? Authority? Experience? Can we believe the evidence of our own eyes?

So, time to be thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014 at 8.00 pm.

How do we come to feel we know what we know? Of course sometimes we have what we accept as direct evidence,; the evidence of our own eyes. But even that may be in doubt as we have a tendency to see what we expect or want to see as many visual illusions demonstrate.

Not only that, but we have a tendency NOT to see that which we wish to avoid or that does not fit with our expectations. In psychological terms this is cognitive consonance and dissonance. We have clear biases in what we look for and accept as evidence according to whether or not it fits with what we already think.

That means that it can be very hard to be objective. One person's Truth may be another person's Deception or Lie. The way in which we use information to determine our judgement is open to interpretation. How much weight do we give the evidence? Do we trust its source? Do we detect ulterior motives? How do we come to a conclusion about the Truth?

Much of the time we are not even relying on our own direct perceptions but the authority of others. Do you believe the evidence of politicians, the news media or big business. It sometimes seems that we live in very untrustworthy times when we expect politicians to be economical with the truth, news media to display bias and big business to put profits before facts.

Then there is Science. That gold standard of believability. Or is it? Even the scientific method can be open to bias and corruption. There is good science and bad science and we may need to look at issues like methodology, validity and reliability before we can know how much faith we can place in its pronouncements. Even so. much is beyond our ability to judge personally and we are reliant on the expertise of others. 

What about conspiracy theories? These abound, particularly where evidence is poor or ambiguous. The recent MH370 disaster is a good example with many of the families refusing to accept official pronouncements and clinging to alterative theories. Did the Americans land on the moon? Who killed J F Kennedy? Conspiracy theories abound!

And religion? It may be argued that here is an area where the question of evidence becomes irrelevant. Rather than look for evidence and proof there is a requirement to suspend many of the normal critical processes and accept that Faith rather than Science is capable of providing the crucial answers.

So what do you believe? About Life, the Universe or Anything? How do you come to your beliefs and are they open to challenge and change in the light of new evidence? If so, what evidence counts? Or are many beliefs immune to challenge because we just KNOW we are right?   

As usual, so much to discuss.
 


UPDATE

The response buttons above may or may not still work. Although the group front page has been cancelled, much of the site still remains available when accessed directly. In the meantime I will be working towards a new site but, as I'm currently in Australia, I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

I will keep using this email system as long as it is working for now. There has still been no response from the Groupspaces team and I remain very doubtful that this system can continue for long. However I look forward to seeing you all for the April meeting on my return from the Land of Oz!

Now you see it...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Tuesday, 22nd April 2014 @ 12:16am

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Despite the disruption caused by the imminent demise of the Groupspaces website, it was good to see that many of you used the direct link to the Poll to cast your vote. There was a flurry of last minute changes but, in the end, a clear winner.

Seeing is believing?: What evidence do we need to believe in something? Authority? Experience? Can we believe the evidence of our own eyes?

So, time to be thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014 at 8.00 pm.

How do we come to feel we know what we know? Of course sometimes we have what we accept as direct evidence,; the evidence of our own eyes. But even that may be in doubt as we have a tendency to see what we expect or want to see as many visual illusions demonstrate.

Not only that, but we have a tendency NOT to see that which we wish to avoid or that does not fit with our expectations. In psychological terms this is cognitive consonance and dissonance. We have clear biases in what we look for and accept as evidence according to whether or not it fits with what we already think.

That means that it can be very hard to be objective. One person's Truth may be another person's Deception or Lie. The way in which we use information to determine our judgement is open to interpretation. How much weight do we give the evidence? Do we trust its source? Do we detect ulterior motives? How do we come to a conclusion about the Truth?

Much of the time we are not even relying on our own direct perceptions but the authority of others. Do you believe the evidence of politicians, the news media or big business. It sometimes seems that we live in very untrustworthy times when we expect politicians to be economical with the truth, news media to display bias and big business to put profits before facts.

Then there is Science. That gold standard of believability. Or is it? Even the scientific method can be open to bias and corruption. There is good science and bad science and we may need to look at issues like methodology, validity and reliability before we can know how much faith we can place in its pronouncements. Even so. much is beyond our ability to judge personally and we are reliant on the expertise of others. 

What about conspiracy theories? These abound, particularly where evidence is poor or ambiguous. The recent MH370 disaster is a good example with many of the families refusing to accept official pronouncements and clinging to alterative theories. Did the Americans land on the moon? Who killed J F Kennedy? Conspiracy theories abound!

And religion? It may be argued that here is an area where the question of evidence becomes irrelevant. Rather than look for evidence and proof there is a requirement to suspend many of the normal critical processes and accept that Faith rather than Science is capable of providing the crucial answers.

So what do you believe? About Life, the Universe or Anything? How do you come to your beliefs and are they open to challenge and change in the light of new evidence? If so, what evidence counts? Or are many beliefs immune to challenge because we just KNOW we are right?   

As usual, so much to discuss.
 


UPDATE

The response buttons above may or may not still work. Although the group front page has been cancelled, much of the site still remains available when accessed directly. In the meantime I will be working towards a new site but, as I'm currently in Australia, I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

I will keep using this email system as long as it is working for now. There has still been no response from the Groupspaces team and I remain very doubtful that this system can continue for long. However I look forward to seeing you all for the April meeting on my return from the Land of Oz!

GONE!! As predicted, Groupspaces home page is gone!

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Thursday, 17th April 2014 @ 2:51pm

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html


GONE! 

As predicted, the home page of the Group at Groupspaces has disappeared and I have been unable to get any response from the system owners. Accordingly I am moving temporarily to Plan B before beginning work on Plan C, which will be a new site. Hang on in there!!

Fortunately, mailing still seems to work for the moment. In the meantime (Plan B), members are encouraged to sign up at the Meetup service (if you are not already a member). You can find it at www.meetup.com.

Group meetings were already being advertised there in any case and the April meeting details can be found HERE. (You will need to join the Thinking Allowed Group to see the details of our Group and other interesting events.)

Fortunately the Poll is not hosted on Groupspaces and it can be found HERE if you wish to vote.


You can contact me directly at Organizer@Edinburgh-Philosophers.com as that address is independent of Groupspaces as is our Edinburgh-Philosophers.com domain: so these will contnue as valid addresses even if the host system changes. 


Keep thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014. The Poll is already open for voting on the topic.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Charity begins at home?: Does giving to charity actually solve problems or simply prolong them? Short term fixes for long term issues?

But it is not too late for that to change!

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 21 April.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

Send them to: Organizer@Edinburgh-Philosophers.com
 

WARNING!! Groupspaces site may disappear.

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Thursday, 10th April 2014 @ 11:07am

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

WARNING! The website may temporarily disappear. Groupspaces, who host it, appear to be in difficulties and are not currently accepting my renewal fee. I am unable to get any assurance from them about the continuation of the website and it may disappear at any time.

Until it does, I will keep using it. If it goes, I will look at creating an alternative and have saved all your email addresses so that I can still contact you. It may take some time though as I'm currently away from Edinburgh and will only be able to take steps when I'm back.

In the meantime, the meetings themselves will continue as usual athough voting may be disrupted. They will continue to be advertised in parallel on the Meetup website (www.meetup.com) in the Thinking Allowed notice board group pages.

Sorry about this but it looks as though our current host may fail and we will just have to work round that temporarily.

You can contact me directly at Organizer@Edinburgh-Philosophers.com as that address is independent of Groupspaces as is our Edinburgh-Philosophers.com domain: so these will contnue as valid addresses even if the host system changes. 


Keep thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014. The Poll is already open for voting on the topic (as long as the site is functioning).

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is still:

Dealing with Uncertainty: What do you do when you don't know the answers? Faith, myths, conspiracies or avoid the questions?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below.

     

 You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 21 April.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

Happy new tax year

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 6th April 2014 @ 7:31am

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

OK, maybe a new tax year isn't something most of us celebrate but it's always best to look on the bright side. Although what do you do when you don't know what the future may hold? Maybe that's stimulated the change in the voting over the last week..

Not too early to be thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014. The Poll is already open for voting on the topic.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Dealing with Uncertainty: What do you do when you don't know the answers? Faith, myths, conspiracies or avoid the questions?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below.

     

 You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 21 April.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

April showers

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 29th March 2014 @ 7:09pm

Hi All,

Monday 28 April - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

The March meeting proved extremely interesting with a large turnout and some very animated discussion. So much so it was hard to stop. But discussions move on and we have, once again, 12 topics in the Poll.

Not too early to be thinking about the next meeting on 28 April 2014. The Poll is already open for voting on the topic.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Addiction: you can't live without it... or can you? Personality, biological or psychological? Should some drugs be legal?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below.

     

 You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 21 April.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

When it's time to go...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 22nd March 2014 @ 12:10pm

Hi All,

Monday 24 March - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Almost time for our meeting on Monday 24 March 2014 at 8.00 pm. Interesting to see that our topic is very much in the news at the same time.

Assisted suicide: Are there circumstances in which we should allow or even help people to die? What about Quality of Life?

As usual, there is a file available, "Assisted Suicide", that you can download for some interesting information. Of course, you don't have to read anything, just bring your views and opinions.

I shall be there early from 7.30 pm. Look for the Group signs in the window of the Coffee Lounge, between the Bar entrance (on the left) and the Hotel entrance (on the right). We will be in the middle and accessible from either entrance. Enjoy the sandwiches. The bar also does a great range of drinks, food and snacks.

Ed the Head will be there too, waiting for you. Do try to be there in good time so we can get the seating sorted in case it is crowded. 


 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.


It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group June Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 23rd June 2014 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 4 people attended

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group May Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 26th May 2014 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 9 people attended

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group April Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 28th April 2014 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 10 people attended

A right to die?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Tuesday, 18th March 2014 @ 11:58pm

Hi All,

Monday 24 March - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


It was a tight competition this month with, last week, five topics all tied in the lead. The votes poured in and the preferences oscillated wildly for a few days. In the end, however, there was a clear leader with 68% in the Poll.

Assisted suicide: Are there circumstances in which we should allow or even help people to die? What about Quality of Life?

So, time to be thinking about the next meeting on 24 March 2014 at 8.00 pm.

Assisted suicide, or the right to die, has been a regular topic in the news over recent years. Whether it is the controversy over the organisation Exit, court cases seeking the right to choose one's own exit when suffering from extremely distressing and terminal illness or Margo MacDonald's Bill proposed in the Scottish Parliament: it never seems to be far from the headlines.

There tend to be two main, radically opposing camps in the debate. There are those who believe that Life is sacrosanct and it is not the prerogative of anyone to make the decision to end it. The time comes when it comes and should not be hastened.

On the other hand, there are those who claim that their life is their own and it should therefore be their choice when and how it ends. In particular they would say that they have a right to avoid unnecessary suffering and a lack of quality of life by ending it. Of course some people are capable of doing that directly, but those most impaired have often lost the ability to take their own direct action and would be dependent on the help of others.

In the middle are those who are mainly concerned with the practical issues. How would one decide whether a request to die was legitimate? Could it be unduly influenced by others: family, relatives, friends or even social pressures? Would it become too easy as a way of opting out of difficult problems and situations? Is it the case that while there's Life, there's Hope? And what about the effects on those who are involved: the assistant or the doctor? How would they deal with the demands, decisions and emotional pressures they might experience? What about the post traumatic effects? That is leaving aside all the tricky legal issues that might have to be addressed. When might assisted suicide be homicide?

Of course there are already situations in which some of these decisions have to be made. When and how, for example, does one decide to turn off life support in a 'hopeless' case? What about the 'do not resuscitate' decision that is commonly made in dealing with some hospital cases? What about the withdrawal of food and fluids in the now, somewhat discredited, Liverpool Care Pathway?

So perhaps the debate is more muddied than we sometimes think. Are there any clear guidelines here? Is preserving life worthwhile at any cost? Is Quality of Life a relevant factor? Who should make such decisions and what safeguards might be needed?

As usual, so much to discuss.
 

 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.


It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Five leading topics!! With just two days to vote...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 16th March 2014 @ 12:12am

Hi All,

Monday 24 March - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

For the first time we have 5 out of the 12 topics in the Poll all tied for first place on 63%. That's going to make the final choice pretty difficult unless you click through to the Voting and promote one of them firmly into the lead.
 
Definitely time to be thinking about the next meeting day on 24 March 2014 at 8.00 pm. The Poll is open for your voting on the topics.

With 5 topics tied in the lead, your Vote will really count!!

With 12 topics in the Poll, it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below.

     

 You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 17 March.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

Notice!

An interesting non-Group event has been notified and posted in the Discussion area:

What's the Difference Between You and a Computer?

Edinburgh University
Informatics Forum
Crichton Street
EH8 9AB Edinburgh
United Kingdom

Free but booking required at:
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/whats-the-difference-between-you-and-a-computer-tickets-10538885089?aff=rss
 

Thursday, 20 March 2014 from 18:00 to 20:30 (GMT)

Join us in an evening of interactive activities and intriguing discussions about the future of artificial intelligence, nanotechnology and scientific advances.

You will be challenged on the Turing test and you will be exposed to a fun and entertaining documentary by Director Doug Wolens, The Singularity.

The screening will be followed by a panel discussion with distinguished Professors Andy Clark (Philosophy) and Sethu Vijayakumar (Robotics) of the University of Edinburgh, and with the Director Doug Wolens.

Doors open at 5.30pm. I'll be there.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

March: to a different tune...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 9th March 2014 @ 6:49pm

Hi All,

Monday 24 March - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

Time certainly speeds on. It seems hardly any time since Christmas and already the shops are filled with Easter Eggs. It sometimes seems as if we are force marched through a variety of commercialised events (it will soon be Mother's Day) at an ever increasing pace. Monday is Mario Day, Tuesday is Organise Your Home Office Day and Wednesday will be World Maths day! Does it all add up? If you don't believe it, take a look at http://www.daysoftheyear.com/ .

Anyway, not too early to be thinking about the next meeting day on 24 March 2014 at 8.00 pm. The Poll is already open for voting on the topic.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Addiction: you can't live without it... or can you? Personality, biological or psychological? Should some drugs be legal?

But, with 11 more topics in the Poll, it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below.

     

 You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 17 March.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

Notice!

An interesting non-Group event has been notified and posted in the Discussion area:

What's the Difference Between You and a Computer?

Edinburgh University
Informatics Forum
Crichton Street
EH8 9AB Edinburgh
United Kingdom

Free but booking required at:
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/whats-the-difference-between-you-and-a-computer-tickets-10538885089?aff=rss
 

Thursday, 20 March 2014 from 18:00 to 20:30 (GMT)

Join us in an evening of interactive activities and intriguing discussions about the future of artificial intelligence, nanotechnology and scientific advances.

You will be challenged on the Turing test and you will be exposed to a fun and entertaining documentary by Director Doug Wolens, The Singularity.

The screening will be followed by a panel discussion with distinguished Professors Andy Clark (Philosophy) and Sethu Vijayakumar (Robotics) of the University of Edinburgh, and with the Director Doug Wolens.

Doors open at 5.30pm.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Mad March

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Friday, 28th February 2014 @ 10:51pm

Hi All,

Monday 24 March - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  

Nearly spring! And the sunny weather in the last few days has been encouraging. Amazing how a bit of sunshine improves the mood and gets people active mentally and physically. Time to get your thinking caps on and get ready for a bit of philosophy.

Not too early to be thinking about the next meeting on 24 March 2014. The Poll is already open for voting on the topic.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

My brother's keeper?: Are we so concerned with protecting people from risks and consequences that we make them more dependent?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below.

     

 You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 17 March.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

Notice!

An interesting non-Group event has been notified and posted in the Discussion area:

What's the Difference Between You and a Computer?

Edinburgh University
Informatics Forum
Crichton Street
EH8 9AB Edinburgh
United Kingdom

Free but booking required at:
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/whats-the-difference-between-you-and-a-computer-tickets-10538885089?aff=rss
 

Thursday, 20 March 2014 from 18:00 to 20:30 (GMT)

Join us in an evening of interactive activities and intriguing discussions about the future of artificial intelligence, nanotechnology and scientific advances.

You will be challenged on the Turing test and you will be exposed to a fun and entertaining documentary by Director Doug Wolens, The Singularity.

The screening will be followed by a panel discussion with distinguished Professors Andy Clark (Philosophy) and Sethu Vijayakumar (Robotics) of the University of Edinburgh, and with the Director Doug Wolens.

Doors open at 5.30pm.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:


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