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March in time...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Monday, 2nd March 2015 @ 8:52pm

Hi All,

Monday 23 March - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Another delayed notice due to the fact that I've been investigating some of the alternative venues that have been suggested. I still have one to go (Ryrie's Bar beside Haymarket Station) but, alas, the others have not proved suitable or are not interested in hosting us without a (large) charge.

Your help in suggesting a suitable new venue will be helpful and we have just two months to find one! Please send me any ideas.
  
So, time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 23 March at 8.00 pm.

Current topic leading in the Poll is:

What's the risk?: How do we assess risk? Do we tend to worry about the wrong things? Anxieties driven by scary headlines?


But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 16 March.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

Do remember to follow what the Ragged University is up to. They have been hosting some excellent meetings on a whole range of topics. You can find out more at www.ragged-online.com or their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/edinburghraggeduniversity/ . Lots of great audio and video recordings of some of the presentations.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

Costs of Free Speech...?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Friday, 20th February 2015 @ 2:33pm

Hi All,

Monday 23 February - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Just a reminder as we approach our February meeting that, from May, we will have to find another venue. That will not be easy as we have searched in the past with very limited success.

Your help in suggesting a suitable new venue will be essential and we have just two months to find one! Please send me any ideas.

So, time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 23 February at 8.00 pm.

The topic for February is: 

Freedom of Speech: What does that mean? A licence to offend? Are there limits? Is religion a special case? Who decides and how
?

As usual, there is a file available, "Freedom of Speech", that you can download for some interesting information. Of course, you don't have to read anything, just bring your views and opinions.

I shall be there early from 7.30 pm. Look for the Group signs in the window of the Dining Area, between the Bar entrance (on the left) and the Hotel entrance (on the right). We will be in the middle and accessible from either entrance. Enjoy the sandwiches - usually available from 7.30 pm. The bar also does a great range of drinks, food and snacks.

Ed the Head will be there too, waiting for you. Do try to be there in good time so we can get the seating sorted in case it is crowded.


New suggestions for topics welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

To make a Suggestion or send Ideas for Venues just click on the link below. 

NOTICES!

Do remember to follow what the Ragged University is up to. They have been hosting some excellent meetings on a whole range of topics. You can find out more at www.ragged-online.com or their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/edinburghraggeduniversity/ . Lots of great audio and video recordings of some of the presentations.

There is also a new Links page available on the website with some interesting groups and sites you may want to visit. Have a look!
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Je suis... who?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Thursday, 19th February 2015 @ 5:39pm

Hi All,

Monday 23 February - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


A slightly later email this week as there was, once again, some uncertainty over whether our usual venue would be available as they refurbish the Links Hotel. I'm pleased to say we have a further reprieve and a guarantee that we will be able to meet as usual this month and in March and April. After that, however, the dining area of the hotel will operate fully as a restaurant and we will have to find an alternative venue.

That will not be easy as we have searched in the past with very limited success. Your help in suggesting a suitable new venue will be essential and we have two more months to find one!

So, time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 23 February at 8.00 pm.

There was one topic clearly in the lead in the Poll this month: 

Freedom of Speech: What does that mean? A licence to offend? Are there limits? Is religion a special case? Who decides and how
?

Recent events have made this issue into lurid headlines that have caused shock and horror to reverberate across our news sources. However it is not a new issue by any means.

Restrictions on what one can say, to whom one can say it and how it can be expressed exist everywhere. In the UK, some of us are old enough to remember the OZ magazine trial in 1971. According to Mr Brian Leary, prosecuting, "It dealt with homosexuality, lesbianism, sadism, perverted sexual practices and drug taking". Just as well they hadn't seen 50 Shades of Grey! The case collapsed but other relevant laws remained on the statute book much longer.

The common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel were only abolished by the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008. Although the offence of blasphemous libel was considered by some to be contrary to the Human Rights Act 1998, courts decided that it was within the state's margin of appreciation for a restriction on free speech under interpretations of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms on which the Act was based.

Clearly, however, many people continue to feel blasphemously offended. This ranges from the banning of The Life of Brian in some areas to complaints about Jerry Springer: The Opera. Various groups have taken an activist stance although, thankfully, stopping short of mass destruction and violence.

Then there are topics such as sexuality and racial tolerance where sexist or racist pronouncements can both be offences, as some supposedly Chelsea fans may discover. In Scotland, sectarian speech may be the subject of prosecution.

Beyond the UK we have worldwide examples of governments and regimes that keep very tight control of what may be said or published. Leaving aside, for a moment, issues about Islamic State or North Korea, we see that China has a very rigid "Great Firewall" control over what may be published on the Internet and what may be accessed. It has an Internet police force that is reckoned to number some 2 million monitoring its citizens' utterings. It may be the biggest but it is not alone. Freedom of Speech may be a right observed more in the breach than the observance around the world.

And is it a right, or a privilege? Do we have the right to express opinions that may offend and distress those who do not share our views? After all it seems clear that, given the diversity of views and opinions in the world, many statements are going to offend somebody. We have previously discussed "political correctness" but this is, perhaps, more serious where the fundamental views of others are challenged or even ridiculed. At the same time the ability to challenge some beliefs and practices is fundamental to our concept of democratic morality and human dignity.
 
But where do we draw the line? Or are there 50 shades of grey areas for which we will never be able to legislate fully? And what about religion where there is a suggestion by some that it is especially protected and offence must be avoided at all costs? Does it have special status compared to other social and political areas of belief?

Most of all, who decides and how? If we set limits on free speech, are there rules that might guide us or do we risk decisions being enforced by the person with the AK47 and the suicide bomb?

As usual, so much to discuss.



New suggestions for topics welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

To make a Suggestion just click on the link below. 

NOTICES!

Do remember to follow what the Ragged University is up to. They have been hosting some excellent meetings on a whole range of topics. You can find out more at www.ragged-online.com or their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/edinburghraggeduniversity/ . Lots of great audio and video recordings of some of the presentations.

There is also a new Links page available on the website with some interesting groups and sites you may want to visit. Have a look!
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

I'll pick a rose for my rose...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 14th February 2015 @ 12:16pm

Hi All,

Monday 23 February - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


All change again this week as the voting intensifies. Maybe the love in the air this Valentines Day is a love of controversy. Perhaps a good time to remember the 60s (yes, I'm that old) when Love and Peace went together. All we are saying, is give Peace a chance...

So, time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 23 February at 8.00 pm.

Just 3 days left to Vote with a new contender leading in the Poll this week: 

Freedom of Speech: What does that mean? A licence to offend? Are there limits? Is religion a special case? Who decides and how
?

But it is still not too late for that to change with 11 other possible topics still in the race!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 16 February.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

Do remember to follow what the Ragged University is up to. They have been hosting some excellent meetings on a whole range of topics. You can find out more at www.ragged-online.com or their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/edinburghraggeduniversity/ . Lots of great audio and video recordings of some of the presentations.

There is also a new Links page available on the website with some interesting groups and sites you may want to visit. Have a look!
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Things you say and do just thrill me through and through

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 8th February 2015 @ 1:14pm

Hi All,

Monday 23 February - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Daffodils in the park, roses tied in red bows, love in the air and funny cards in the post. Yes, it's Valentines time again. Sinatra sang "I'm getting sentimental over you..." but, as the subject line says, it's the things you say and do that make the Group such a thrilling experience.

So, time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 23 February at 8.00 pm.

Maybe Love is an Addiction as we have a new contender leading in the Poll this week: 

Addiction: you can't live without it... or can you? Personality, biological or psychological? Should some drugs be legal
?

But it is not too late for that to change with 11 other possible topics still in the race!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 16 February.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

Do remember to follow what the Ragged University is up to. They have been hosting some excellent meetings on a whole range of topics. You can find out more at www.ragged-online.com or their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/edinburghraggeduniversity/ . Lots of great audio and video recordings of some of the presentations.

also:




Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Onward to Valentines Day...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Thursday, 29th January 2015 @ 4:46pm

Hi All,

Monday 23 February - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


A very successful start to the year with our January meeting. Again well attended with 29 discussants taking part. On now to the month of Valentines Day. Hopefully it will be sweetness and positive emotions and not the massacre.
  
So, time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 23 February at 8.00 pm.

Currently two topics leading in the Poll:

Freedom of Speech: What does that mean? A licence to offend? Are there limits? Is religion a special case? Who decides and how?

Torture and duress: Is it ever justified to use extreme methods of interrogation? When? The ticking time bomb? Your life on the line?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 16 February.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

Do remember to follow what the Ragged University is up to. They have been hosting some excellent meetings on a whole range of topics. You can find out more at www.ragged-online.com or their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/edinburghraggeduniversity/ . Lots of great audio and video recordings of some of the presentations.

also:

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group April Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 27th April 2015 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 8 people attended

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group March Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 23rd March 2015 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 8 people attended

A man's a man for a' that?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 24th January 2015 @ 4:50pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 January - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Robert Burns (we are meeting just one night after Burns night) said "A Man's a man for a' that." But perhaps that won't be the case in the future? Perhaps Man will be a machine or a machine a Man?

Or perhaps there will only be machines...

So, it is time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 26 January at 8.00 pm.

The topic for January is:

Artificial Intelligence: Stephen Hawking suggests that AI will be the end of Humanity. Can we expect to see The Matrix become reality?

As usual, there is a file available, "AI", that you can download for some interesting information. Of course, you don't have to read anything, just bring your views and opinions.

I shall be there early from 7.30 pm. Look for the Group signs in the window of the Dining Area, between the Bar entrance (on the left) and the Hotel entrance (on the right). We will be in the middle and accessible from either entrance. Enjoy the sandwiches - usually available from 7.30 pm. The bar also does a great range of drinks, food and snacks.

Ed the Head will be there too, waiting for you. Do try to be there in good time so we can get the seating sorted in case it is crowded.



New topic suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

To make a Suggestion or Vote for February just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

Notice!



 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

Rise of the machines?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Wednesday, 21st January 2015 @ 1:06am

Hi All,

Monday 26 January - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


As occasionally happens, we had two topics tied on 64% when the final vote was cast for January. As usual I looked to see which topic had most 10 scores and the balance was 7-2 with  "Good to know you?: What makes for good relationships? Are the rules the same in romantic, family, friendship and colleague relationships?" therefore not quite making the cut this month. It will still be in there next month, so you will have another chance to vote for it if you wish.

So, it is time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 26 January at 8.00 pm.

The topic winning in the Poll, having led in the early weeks, was:

Artificial Intelligence: Stephen Hawking suggests that AI will be the end of Humanity. Can we expect to see The Matrix become reality?

The term 'Robot' entered the language in R.U.R. a 1920 science fiction play in the Czech language by Karel Čapek. R.U.R. stands for Rosumovi Univerzální Roboti (Rossum’s Universal Robots in English). They are not exactly robots by the current definition of the term; these creatures are closer to the modern idea of
cyborgs, androids or even clones, as they may be mistaken for humans and can think for themselves. They seem happy to work for humans at first, but that changes, and a hostile robot rebellion leads to the extinction of the human race.

In that sense they perhaps are exactly the kind of Artificial Intelligence or AI that Stephen Hawking chose to warn about in one of his recent pronouncements.

At that time they were strictly Science Fiction and remained so through the 'Golden Age of SF' perhaps most memorably exemplified by Isaac Asimov's stories with his "Three Laws of Robotics" designed to counter the threat Čapek had foreseen.

The laws were:

1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2.A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Unfortunately, many of his stories illustrated that the laws were not, perhaps, as comprehensive or unbreakable as one might hope. For Robots, like humans, there turn out to be grey areas.

Hawking suggests that the vastly superior memory, speed and facility for self development or evolution that may exist in machines that can think and decide for themselves might mean that they quickly outstrip their human creators and have little use for us.

One SF author (it may have been Asimov - references welcome if anyone knows) once said it is like us teaching chimps to talk. It is fun for a while but very limited and there are only so many things you can say about bananas. So we keep them as interesting pets. Maybe AI will keep humans as pets - or maybe they won't!

Another suggestion was that, if we give them the task of ensuring that humans are safe and happy they will simply sedate us, wrap us in cotton wool and feed us intravenous Prozac. Maybe not what we intended.

But there are some key issues here. Do we really understand what intelligence is? Would we be imagining some sort of AI Free Will (and do we know what that is either)?. Would we actually want to create something that fully mimicked the range of human abilities? Would we limit AI machines to a specific set of tasks? Could we keep the genie in the bottle?

Steve Wozniak, a founder of Apple said "We're already creating the superior beings, I think we lost the battle to the machines long ago. 
We're going to become the pets, the dogs of the house. All of a sudden, true artificial intelligence will creep up on mankind like an accident. Every time we create new technology we're creating stuff to do the work we used to do and we're making ourselves less meaningful, less relevant."

But maybe he is missing the answer under his nose. Technology is also enhancing our own, human, abilities. Our source of knowledge and information is now not limited to our organic bodies but extends through the Internet, our iPhones, Google Glass and similar enhancements. How long before we integrate these directly into our neural cortex? At the same time we can artificially enhance our physical bodies to be stronger, faster, more durable. We already do! 

Maybe in the future it is WE who will be the AIs. We may even upload our personalities into the very machines we create. Or is that still science fiction, like Robots just 100 years ago?

As usual, so much to discuss.


New suggestions welcome!.

Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

Notice!

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

Blowing in the wind...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 17th January 2015 @ 1:01pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 January - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Seems we are having a pretty stormy winter this year. Taking off from Edinburgh airport was a hair raising experience on Thursday, especially as I was in a relatively smaller, prop driven, Dash 8 400 plane. Reminded of being on a roller coaster until we got above the clouds. But what we enjoy in the Group is plenty of hot air as people air their views - not usually too stormy.  

Anyway, it is time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 26 January at 8.00 pm.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll, with three days of voting to go, is still :

Artificial Intelligence: Stephen Hawking suggests that AI will be the end of Humanity. Can we expect to see The Matrix become reality?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 January.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

A tragic week

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 10th January 2015 @ 6:32pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 January - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Everyone's thoughts this week have been dominated by the tragedies in Paris. The world is full of diversity and differences but violence is not a way of harmonising or resolving them. It was Winston Churchill who famously said, "To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war." I'm always impressed by the way the Group mirrors that wish. We have tackled some difficult and potentially divisive topics in the eight years we have been running yet we do so in a respectful manner and often find the opponents having a drink together afterwards. 

Anyway, it is time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 26 January at 8.00 pm.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is still:

Artificial Intelligence: Stephen Hawking suggests that AI will be the end of Humanity. Can we expect to see The Matrix become reality?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 January.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here
2015 Email Flyer.


And a new group called CRAG have a series of meetings starting next week with:


Playing God(s): Virtual World Creation, Online Spirituality and the Law

Crag Seminar 14 January 2015: Lecture Theatre G.03 – 5.30 pm A talk by: Burkhard Schafer Professor of Computational Legal Theory Director, SCRIPT Centre for IT and IP University of Edinburgh School of Law. Tickets (free) available from: 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/playing-gods-virtual-world-creation-online-spirituality-and-the-law-a-talk-by-burchard-schafer-tickets-14731031913

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

2015 - Back to the Future?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Friday, 2nd January 2015 @ 9:51pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 January - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Ok, all you cinematic buffs, you already knew that the future in Back to the Future part II was 2015. That probably seemed suitably distant when the film was produced in 1989 but the Future has a tendency to become the Present and then, all too quickly, the Past. It is interesting to see what they got right and wrong about 2015 and it is possibly equally interesting that the leading topic in the Poll at this point is also an attempt to see where time and technology may be leading us.

Oh, and a Happy New Year!
  
So, it is time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 26 January at 8.00 pm.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Artificial Intelligence: Stephen Hawking suggests that AI will be the end of Humanity. Can we expect to see The Matrix become reality?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 January.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here
2015 Email Flyer.


And a new group called CRAG have a series of meetings starting in January with:


Playing God(s): Virtual World Creation, Online Spirituality and the Law

Crag Seminar 14 January 2015: Lecture Theatre G.03 – 5.30 pm A talk by: Burkhard Schafer Professor of Computational Legal Theory Director, SCRIPT Centre for IT and IP University of Edinburgh School of Law. Tickets (free) available from: 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/playing-gods-virtual-world-creation-online-spirituality-and-the-law-a-talk-by-burchard-schafer-tickets-14731031913

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

Year in year out...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Monday, 29th December 2014 @ 9:17pm

Hi All,

Monday 26 January - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Somehow the years seem to slip past very quickly. It is now over eight years since this Group was established and our first meeting in 2015 will be the anniversary of our very first meeting in 2007. I'm not sure I expected it to last this long or grow to this size. The success has been down to you, the members, who turn up each month and contribute your thoughts and views to the topics you have suggested. It is great to be able to have these discussions in such a friendly and inclusive atmosphere. Thanks you all.
  
With 2015 just round the corner, it is already time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on Monday 26 January at 8.00 pm.

Currently the topic leading in the Poll is:

Torture and duress: Is it ever justified to use extreme methods of interrogation? When? The ticking time bomb? Your life on the line?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 19 January.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICES!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here
2015 Email Flyer.


And a new group called CRAG have a series of meetings starting in January with:


Playing God(s): Virtual World Creation, Online Spirituality and the Law

Crag Seminar 14 January 2015: Lecture Theatre G.03 – 5.30 pm A talk by: Burkhard Schafer Professor of Computational Legal Theory Director, SCRIPT Centre for IT and IP University of Edinburgh School of Law. Tickets (free) available from: 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/playing-gods-virtual-world-creation-online-spirituality-and-the-law-a-talk-by-burchard-schafer-tickets-14731031913

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:>

Truth and the Santa Clause...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 20th December 2014 @ 6:11pm

Hi All,

Monday 22 December - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Almost the shortest day and then we will be heading back towards summer. Isn't that a good positive thought to hold onto in this dark and dreary weather? Of course it is also Midwinter Festival time, or Christmas, and a time to be joyful and celebrate.

Time also to be thinking ahead to celebrating our last meeting for 2014 on Monday 22 December at 8.00 pm.


The topic is:

Little lies: Is it OK to deceive children with tales of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or Dragons? Are we teaching that Truth does not matter?

As usual, there is a file available, "Santa Lies", that you can download for some interesting information. Of course, you don't have to read anything, just bring your views and opinions.

I shall be there early from 7.30 pm. Look for the Group signs in the window of the Coffee Lounge, between the Bar entrance (on the left) and the Hotel entrance (on the right). We will be in the middle and accessible from either entrance. Enjoy the sandwiches - usually available from 7.30 pm. The bar also does a great range of drinks, food and snacks.

Ed the Head will be there too, waiting for you. Do try to be there in good time so we can get the seating sorted in case it is crowded.



To make a Suggestion for 2015 or Vote for January just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.


NOTICES!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here
2015 Email Flyer.


And a new group called CRAG have a series of meetings starting in January with:

Playing God(s): Virtual World Creation, Online Spirituality and the Law

Crag Seminar 14 January 2015: Lecture Theatre G.03 – 5.30 pm A talk by: Burkhard Schafer Professor of Computational Legal Theory Director, SCRIPT Centre for IT and IP University of Edinburgh School of Law. Tickets (free) available from: 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/playing-gods-virtual-world-creation-online-spirituality-and-the-law-a-talk-by-burchard-schafer-tickets-14731031913

 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group February Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 23rd February 2015 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 5 people attended

Little lies: nothing but the Truth?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Tuesday, 16th December 2014 @ 4:34pm

Hi All,

Monday 22 December - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Maybe it is the link to the time of year, but one topic has clearly dominated the December Poll from the start. But, as we look forward to our last meeting for 2014, we are also looking forward to the New Year when we already have a number of great suggestions that will be added to the January 2015 Poll.

So, it is time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on 22 December at 8.00 pm.


The topic leading in the Poll was:

Little lies: Is it OK to deceive children with tales of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or Dragons? Are we teaching that Truth does not matter?

It seems harmless and is traditional almost everywhere. There are stories we tell children that encourage them to have a magical view of the world. A place of fairy stories and mythical creatures. A place where Good always triumphs over Evil, where good behaviour is always rewarded and bad behaviour punished, where Justice, Equality, Fairness, Truth and Honesty are to be found exemplified in the tales will form their perception of the world and their character.

Truth and Honesty? But many of the stories we tell are actually fanciful and misleading. When we teach children about Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny it may seem a bit of harmless fun. Yet they will eventually find out that these do not exist, despite our protestations over early years that they do. What will their reaction be?

Initially there is often disbelief and denial, then, sometimes, a feeling that they have been deceived and made to look foolish and finally, perhaps, a feeling that Truth is not absolute but simply what you present it to be. If it is OK to lie about Santa, then maybe it is OK to lie about other things if it suits you.

Perhaps too we sow the seeds of irrationality. The notion that you can believe in something in the absence of, or even in the teeth of, any evidence. The foundation of a way of thinking that endures, in the adult, as a belief in conspiracies, alien abduction, witchcraft, vampires, ghosts, religion and even politics.

Perhaps the magical thinking we encourage in the child feeds the dogmatism and fixed opinions of the grown up. It is OK to believe in something just because the idea or concept is attractive in some way rather than whether it is founded in reality.

Or perhaps, as Terry Pratchett suggested, we need to train children to accept the little lies so that they will grow up to accept the big ones. Like Justice, Equality, Fairness or Rights... Do these too only exist because we choose to believe in them?

A usual, so much to discuss.




To make a Suggestion for 2015 just click on the link below. 
 


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICE!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here 2015 Email Flyer.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

Just 24 hrs to vote for 2014...

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Sunday, 14th December 2014 @ 5:18pm

Hi All,

Monday 22 December - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


The last meeting of 2014 is not too far away now and voting for the topic will close late tomorrow. It has been an interesting year with a lot happening in the big wide world and some excellent Group meetings too. Rui and I have enjoyed meeting you all and look forward to 2015.

  
So, it is already time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on 22 December at 8.00 pm.

Currently the, somewhat relevant, topic leading in the Poll is still:

Little lies: Is it OK to deceive children with tales of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or Dragons? Are we teaching that Truth does not matter?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 16 December.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICE!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here 2015 Email Flyer.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

How did it get so late so soon?

E-mail sent by Ray Miller, Saturday, 6th December 2014 @ 2:38pm

Hi All,

Monday 22 December - 8.00 pm
The Links Hotel and Bar 
4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU
(Bruntsfield Links, Whitehouse Loan)
http://www.links-hotel-edinburgh.co.uk/findus.html

Attending?
  


Another year almost over and the depths of dark midwinter almost upon us. The chills of frost and snow may lie ahead but the discussions at the Group are always radiant and heart-warming. Just one last meeting now for 2014 so make sure you get along.
  
Yes, it is already time to be thinking ahead to our meeting on 22 December at 8.00 pm.

Currently the, somewhat relevant, topic leading in the Poll is still:

Little lies: Is it OK to deceive children with tales of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or Dragons? Are we teaching that Truth does not matter?

But it is not too late for that to change!

To make a Suggestion or Vote; just click on the appropriate link below. 
 

     

You can Vote or change your Vote right up to late on Monday 16 December.


New suggestions welcome!.


Especially welcome are ideas from the newer members who have joined over the last few months. It's one way to make sure the group stays relevant and interesting for you.

NOTICE!

The  C J Jung Seminars, Scotland  programme for 2015 is now available and up on the website, or download it from here 2015 Email Flyer.
 

Do also remember the Discussion Forum. This is your opportunity to continue the debates between meetings or to air the topics you'd like to discuss that never quite make it in the Poll. You can also see notices for non group events.
 

It's good to see that some of you have added Photos to your profiles but we'd all like to be able to recognise each other at meetings and it would be great to see a few more of you give us the benefit of your portrait. You can add it here:

The Edinburgh Philosophy and Psychology Group January Meeting (RSVP)

  • Monday, 26th January 2015 at 8pm - 9:30pm
    Location: The Links Hotel and Bar, 4 Alvanley Terrace, Edinburgh EH9 1DU

    FREE event (with free sandwiches)

    Discussions are…

    • 11 people attended

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